Pope Francis: "There is no humility without humiliation" True or False?

Tonight's meeting is trying to get down and deep with the topic of "humility". Was Pope Francis correct? Here are some links to provoke some thought on this topic.

Here is the link to the Pope Francis' document on the topic: There is no humility without humiliation (1st February 2016)

Auggie Turak is a great guy when it comes to humility and here is a quote of his, "Humility is bought and paid for with humiliation, no other way" (paraphrase). Here is a video of his, do try out his channel, it's quite provocative: https://youtu.be/ua-pzVNQOfU?si=GNGwGp2gnAxu4WQX

Friedrich Nietzsche quote (paraphrase from Auggie's YouTube presentation): "The true spiritual life begins in the hour of one's own great self-contempt".

Mr. Rose (paraphrase from Auggie's YouTube presentation): "You've got to get sick and tired of your own bullshit".

Frank Lloyd Wright's quote: "Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility. I chose the former and have seen no reason to change".

Here are some generic questions around this topic that may help to provoke deeper thinking:

- Auggie believes that humility only comes through experience, by "putting ourselves in play" and exposing our egos. How do we create the propitious circumstances to expose our egos?

- Why does ego seem to be inversely proportional to humility? What is the ego afraid of?

- How do we witness in ourselves the chasm between our tendency to project fake cooked up humility and our own exact level of empirically achieved humility?

- Is humility the bedrock of real human intelligence/wisdom?

- What questions, musings do you have on this topic?

Please join this meeting and share your questions and experiences of this topic, you will be gratefully received.

Meeting Link: https://us05web.zoom.us/j/83611960869?pwd=32xebSci1RLyLrJfxb6pz4TYGbTs37.1
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