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a third pop up discussion on zoom. If you are not out causing mayhem and dismay [not likely at all I believe] then this discussion is about that. It is 1854, and earlier, prior to this publication in english, Humbolt writes notes that impressed JS Mill before he wrote "On Liberty". On page 20 of my copy Humbolt lays out some issues that now plague these shores, and those of democracies globally. I will take ten minutes of your time spelling out four of his pertinent points, then the floor is yours to dazzle or desecrate as you each see fit [it is on zoom, so virtual dazzling and desecration only].

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