**THE VENUE: By the river**

The weather on Sunday is expected to be hot and sunny, so we'll meet outside by the river on Laundress Green (details below). There is no attendance limit.

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**THE TOPIC: When you say ‘Torture is wrong’, what are you really saying?**

This week's question is taken from the 2024 Cambridge Philosophy Tripos, Part IA examination: Ethics and Political Philosophy. Thanks to Richard for unearthing this rich seam of challenging philosophical questions.

I don't want to give too much direction, but you can safely assume the question is not about torture, or whether it is right or wrong.

How you initially answer the question may place you in a specific pigeon-hole, for example (this list is incomplete):

\- emotivists just feel it's wrong: "Boo torture \!"
\- prescriptivists are stating a command: "Don't do torture \!"
\- realists and anti\-realists disagree about whether moral facts exist at all\, and whether they can be true or false: "The claim that 'Torture is wrong' is either true\, false or neither\."

Does your response fit with how you generally think about moral and immoral acts, and claims about them ? Are you happy with the pigeon-hole that your initial response might assign you to ?

As The Sun newspaper might say: "Phew, wot a scorcher!", so please take care in the sun.

Link to the exam paper: [https://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/files/pht0-2_ethics_and_political_philosophy_in_hall_f.pdf](https://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/files/pht0-2_ethics_and_political_philosophy_in_hall_f.pdf)
All Part IA past papers: [https://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/curr-students/ugrads-exam-folder/IA-past-exam-papers](https://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/curr-students/ugrads-exam-folder/IA-past-exam-papers)

Duncan

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