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Board Game Night at Marché
Whether you're looking for a short, light game or a longer strategy-heavy game, come join the Melbourne Asian Board Gamers on Tuesday night at Marché Board Game Cafe for some fun!
To **check in**, please head to the front counter and show your RSVP for the Meetup event to a Marché staff member. They will then point you towards the event host for the evening to take down your attendance.
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Attendees who have registered for the event on Meetup can play at discounted rates, with the following payments to be made:
* **$7 in total per session” to cover Meetup subscription and cafe costs. Payment of $7 should be made to Marche at the front counter upon notification to the staff member that you are here for the scheduled meetup.
There is now no minimum spend on items at the cafe as there were before.
The cafes menu can be found here https://mbgcafe.com.au/menu.pdf .
Only attendees on the "going" list are entitled to the discount. attendees that are on the waitlist or didn't register on Meetup are still welcome to come, but will need to pay the regular Marche rate of $22 for three hours of board games (includes one free drink).
**Attendance**
As our events are highly popular, if you have RSVP as going but can no longer attend, please amend your RSVP to allow others a chance to attend. If we notice people are not showing up when they have RSVP, you will be moved to the waitlist the following week and give priority to those who actually turn up.
We appreciate everyone's understanding and co-operation.
We really appreciate your support and look forward to playing with you.
Tricky Tuesday @ The Peacock Inn
**PLEASE NOTE: This will be again more of a community ran event. There is no official host for but two community members - Dan and Trev have volunteered to help facilitate so we can continue Tricky Tuesday in my absence. Extremely grateful to them, please extend your thanks too. Please support each other and make contributions where possible to make everyone feel welcomed and get games tabled!**
Welcome to the **Tricky Tuesday** Meet Up! This is a smaller event in most respects - smaller capacity, smaller games - but still the same sized fun! Come join us to learn a new game and meet some new people.
* This event was created primarily to play and explore **modern** **trick taking games** and **smaller card games** which can be played on more limited table space.
* As this is a smaller event, please note it is a bit more casual. Find the group at the table/s, come over and join - we're a welcoming bunch.
* Please **bring some games** to this event if you can and be prepared to teach them if you do. **There are** **no games available at the venue** but I will always bring a few.
Please consider others when coming and in the lead up to the event. We want as many people there as possible. If you are unable to attend mark yourself as such as soon as you can so others can be notified and attend.
There's an FAQ below but if you have any questions please don't hesitate to reach out.
Your tricky friend,
Dave
**FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS**
**What is a trick taking game? Good question you handsome person.**
* Generally speaking, a trick taking game is a card game which is played in a series of rounds known as ***tricks***.
* Each trick is evaluated to determine a winner or ***taker*** of that trick and then will usually start - or ***lead*** *-* the next trick.
* The goal is usually tied to either winning or losing a number of tricks. This may also come in the form of you guessing how many tricks you will win - known as a ***bid***.
* Some games may have a suit that always wins - known as a ***trump***.
* Most trick taking games are **competitive** needing between 3-5 players, others are **cooperative**, there are also solo and two-player trick taking games as well!
* Popular trick taking/trick taking adjacent games you may have heard of: [The Crew](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/324856/the-crew-mission-deep-sea), [Skull King](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/150145/skull-king), [Cat in the Box](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/345972/cat-in-the-box-deluxe-edition), [Scout](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/291453/scout), [Fox in the Forest](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/221965/the-fox-in-the-forest), the classic games of [Spades](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/592/spades) and [Hearts](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/6887/hearts),
**What makes a Trick Taking game fun?**
* There's so much to trick taking games! They're generally quick to teach, quick to play, have interesting decision spaces, and a wide variety of novelty. Even the classics though can be played thousands of times without getting tiresome. Part of the fun is in the interaction with others, assessing their moves and countering them, and how to win (or lose) at the right times. You have to stay on your toes, adapt frequently, and keep tabs on the other players, what they have played, and what they may play next!
**Do I need to know how to play/have played a trick taking game before?**
* Not at all, but it is good to understand the basics and general terminology so you can pick things up a bit easier on the night. You can check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O7QyhKmCsk) for a bit of a general breakdown .
**Is this event free?**
* Yes, but please support the venue by purchasing a drink or two.
**I'm on the waitlist can I still come?**
* Unfortunately, no. We have limited capacity and must abide by it.
**I don't have a game to bring, is that okay?**
* Generally it will be okay, but it is encouraged to bring and share a game where you can! You can always bring a standard deck of cards or tarot cards and learn a card game or two as well!
**Can I bring a guest?**
* Unfortunately, unless they have signed up too it won't be possible. We have a strict limit on guests and the event would fill up too quickly otherwise.
**How do I get to the venue?**
* The 86 Tram is your best bet and has a stop pretty much right outside of the venue.
* There are two train stations (Westgarth and Northcote) which are within walking distance.
* Parking is available in the area but can get busy. If you don't mind a little walk there is parking down the adjacent street.
**Dave, I worry you will win all the games we play. Such an intelligent and beautiful man, you must be a master of the tricks, is this true?**
* Firstly - thank-you for the kind words, but secondly - no. I suck at trick taking games and lose more than I win. Yet, I enjoy them for their variety, high interaction, and quick nature regardless. You will be fine if you don't take things too seriously. It's about fun and meeting people... (but if you do beat me too often I will ban you from the group and venue...).
Team Up Tuesdays
*🎮 Play games. Make friends 🎲*
Make new mates every Tuesday night at Team Up Tuesdays: A fun, social gaming night at Fortress. Hosted in our Tavern, you can enjoy friendly team-based games in a welcoming, social environment.
**The Games 🕹️**
After checking in with our host, you'll be sorted into one of two teams. These two teams will go head-to-head across 3 rounds of casual games every week!
**The Prizes 🏆**
\- Fun prizes for everyone on the winning team
\- Spot prizes throughout the night
**The Venue 🍻**
Held in our Tavern, you can enjoy hot food and cold drinks in a fun fantasy setting.
*See you next Tuesday!*
**TERMS & CONDITIONS**
* *Fortress Melbourne is a licensed venue, and as such, a valid ID is required and checked upon entrance to the premises.*
* *Unaccompanied minors are not permitted in the venue at any time. Please make sure any guests under 18 are accompanied by a responsible adult at all times.*
* *Minors are not allowed in the venue past 8:00 pm*
* *No outside food or drinks.*
*More information on valid forms of identification and Fortress' minors policy can be found here: [www.fortress.games/minors/](https://www.fortress.games/minors/)*
Fundamentals of Business Management
Hello everyone ,let me start by giving you one of my favourite quotes, "Success is an organised activity".
Today we are going to be talking about Business Management .
Business management at its core involves the actions of planning, organising, leadership and understanding the difference between good and bad control.
We are going to be taking a look at these aspects and see how they fit into your business.
An understanding and mastery of the concepts will give you an edge over others in your industry and set you up on the road to success.
If for any reason you can not make it contact us on 0405 648 822, and we will organize a free one-on-one briefing with you
I hope to see you there !
Cheers
Tim and Pam
Social Chess Meetup - Tuesday June 9th
Hello everyone! We’re back with another weekday social chess event at Brick Lane Market next to Queen Vic Market.
The perfect spot to cure those early workweek blues.
Come and enjoy an after work beer and play some chess with like minded people - its totally free. All skills welcome from beginner to pro - you don't need to be good to join us! Boards, pieces and clocks will be provided.
Stay up to date through our socials or WhatsApp community: message me (David: +61 438 004 729) and I’ll add you to the chat.
Social links IG FB: [https://linktr.ee/MelbourneChessSociety](https://linktr.ee/MelbourneChessSociety)
June Book of the month - Three Reasons for Revenge
Book Club: Three Reasons for Revenge by Dervla McTiernan
It is a high-stakes standalone crime thriller focusing on a dangerous game involving three targeted victims, featuring Detective Sergeant Judith Lee as she investigates a series of tailored, malicious packages.
The story begins when Alexis Turner reports an assault and then disappears. Shortly after, three identical packages arrive at different homes, containing items that will destroy the recipients' lives.
The thriller tackles themes of modern, intimate danger and revenge. This follows her highly successful 2024 thriller, *What Happened to Nina?*
Discussion Points:
* **The Ethics of Revenge:** Does the novel suggest that vigilante justice is sometimes necessary when the legal system fails? Discuss the motivations of the "antagonist" versus the moral failings of the three victims.
* **Cycles of Trauma:** How does the childhood trauma of sisters **Renee** and **Margaux** mirror the past of **Judith Lee**? Discuss how their shared history of being "damaged" by others influences their present-day actions.
* **Manipulation and Control:** The novel is described as a "deadly game". Talk about how the perpetrator uses intimate knowledge to hurt victims where they are most vulnerable and how they force Judith into playing along.
* **Modern Dangers:** How do themes like **deepfakes**, **online manipulation**, and the rapid spread of misinformation heightening the stakes for the characters?
Social Volleyball Games ASHBURTON
Tuesday's Volleyball Games are on.
Games start on Tuesday 7 pm at Ashburton Recreational Centre.
All Levels Welcome.
NO bookings required.
Come and play volleyball with friends.
#international #volleyball #club #melbourne
Game Theory Events This Week
Discover what is happening in the next few days
Free video games (PC provided)
Bring snacks and drinks for yourself?
***Please refrain from stealing the laptops***
Hi everyone. My name is Calem and
I’m hosting a free video game party (pc provided)
This is my last ditched effort to make friends,
I have no social circle or people I consider to a close best bro.
I’m actually hurting quite a lot not having a best friend to talk to in my personal life
Could you make a little time In your schedule…. please for me?
So I’m hosting an event to get to know new people
and hopefully welcome them into my life as a new connection.
I have prepared several games installed and ready to play
You can bring your own laptop if you really want but I don’t recommend it
Some of the games are riddled with Trojan/viruses so I keep them on old laptops ready to play isolated.
Games prepared
Halo
Cod1
Cs1.6
Cs source
Generals
Mohaa
Bf1942
Quake3
Ut1
Killing floor1
Flatout2
Savage
Warcraft 3
StarCraft 1
Diablo 2
Dinner & Board Games Fortnightly CBD (We Play Board Games Melbourne)
Hi everyone, Stella & Tarrant here 😃
It's board game and dinner time every 2nd Wednesdays! Everyone's welcome, new or experienced board gamer. Let's play board games together, meet new friends if you want, and also supporting local restaurant buying their food and drink, coz the event is free.
𝐏𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐑𝐒𝐕𝐏, 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐥 𝐢𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐜𝐚𝐧'𝐭 𝐠𝐨 𝐬𝐨 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐚𝐝, 𝐜𝐨𝐳 𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐥𝐢𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐞𝐝
Meetup will be in the separate room at the back of their venue!
𝗧𝗜𝗠𝗘: 6pm - 10pm (but the pub is open till later if you want to stay around)
𝗪𝗛𝗔𝗧 𝗧𝗢 𝗘𝗫𝗣𝗘𝗖𝗧: Meetup for dinner & drink while playing board games. Here's a one page PDF document explaining how it works - https://loom.ly/hTHo2cM. Basically, find some friends or make some new ones.
𝗕𝗥𝗜𝗡𝗚: Bring your own games or play our growing board games library, teach others or join others games. We have flag system to help you find people to play with you. Here is the list of our growing games library, categories and with short description - https://loom.ly/fOKuaM4
𝗙𝗘𝗘: Zero. Nada. It's a casual get together, we're helping facilitating the meetup. All I asked is to please order food & drink from the venue, don't bring your own food and eat there, as the venue is a pub, they are providing the venue for free So please help local business 😃
𝗢𝗥𝗚𝗔𝗡𝗜𝗦𝗘: Feel free to post in the comment if you have games you want to bring and teach others, try to organise people to play. Or if you want to join other people's game. We have a group via Aftergame (app/website) where you can organise a game as well here - https://aftergame.app/groups/we-play-board-games-melbourne-meetup-by-meeple-university-1386
𝗛𝗢𝗪 𝗧𝗢 𝗚𝗘𝗧 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘: Melbourne Central, level 3. Melbourne Central station underneath.
There are various public carpark Wilson 300 LaTrobe and Secure Parking in the city. Or the Wilson carpark under Melbourne Central, entry is a set price after 5pm (at the time of writing).
And then plenty of public transport in the city 🙂
To connect more to fellow board gamers, you can join the Facebook group that started the event here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/WePlayBoardGames
Thank you and hope to see you all then!
Stella & Tarrant
Hong Kong Mahjong at Marché Board Game Cafe
Players of all skill levels are welcome to join us at Marché Board Games Cafe in the CBD for a casual night of mahjong - Right in the CBD. We'll start around 6:00pm till we all need to go home :)
Our typical session concludes usually around 10:00pm.
Please change your RSVP to not going if you're no longer able to attend, 24 hours prior the event.
For those that have a record of non attendance without communicating, you will be moved to the waiting list for future events and be contacted directly to confirm that you indeed intend to turn up, at which you will be allotted a spot subject to availability.
For more details on the rules of the game, please refer to: http://mahjongtime.com/hong-kong-mahjong-rules.html
Marche has been kind enough to offer us a deal to play in their cafe.
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Attendees who have registered for the event on Meetup can play at discounted rates, with the following payments to be made:
* **$6 in total per session” to cover cafe costs. Payment of $6 should be made to Marche at the front counter upon notification to the staff member that you are here for the scheduled meetup.
There is now no minimum spend on items at the cafe as there were before.
The cafes menu can be found here https://mbgcafe.com.au/menu.pdf .
NSEG - Northern Suburbs Eurogamers
The Northern Suburbs Eurogamers (NSEG) is a regular meetup held at [Croxton Park Hotel](https://www.croxtonparkhotel.com.au/) on selected Sundays (view the current year dates [below](https://meeples.org.au/nseg/#dates)).
Running since 2012, NSEG is an established group, but we always love playing with new people.
### Where do we play?
The meetup is held at Croxton Park Hotel.
We meet in the Bistro, just near the fireplace, so it’s lovely and warm.

### What sort of games do we play?
We play:
* Games for beginners (which we call gateway games) like Ticket To Ride, Carcassonne, Splendour, Small World and King of Tokyo.
* Strategy (Euro) games like Power Grid, Lords of Waterdeep, Village, Imperial and Suburbia.
* Thematic games (that involve lots of dice and role play) like Betrayal at House on the Hill and Dead of Winter.
* Party Games (quick and easy games) like Resistance, Spyfall and Time’s Up.
* Card Games like Love Letter, Uno, Fluxx, Bohanza, Red7, Fuji Flush, Munchkin.
And much much more! If you have a game you love, bring it along and show us… maybe we’ve never heard of it and will love it too!
We do a rules explanation before each game (unless everyone has played it before) so don’t worry if you’ve never played (or heard) of any of these games.
### How about food and Drinks?
The Croxton’s kitchen has all the pub classics and tasty little bites… check out the [Menu](https://www.facebook.com/pg/CroxtonParkHotel/menu).
The bar also serves drinks, both soft and hard… plus tea and coffee.
### Do I have to be a Melbourne Meeples Inc. Member to attend?
No, though if you are not a member, we do ask that you pay a small donation (we suggest $3) to help cover the cost of the games library and the Melbourne Meeples Inc support structure.
And you can always [become a member](http://meeples.org.au/membership/)!
### How to get there
The Croxton is located at [407 High St, Thornbury](https://goo.gl/maps/s7yePRZ8meL2).
* **By Car:** If you’re driving there is a carpark on the opposite side of the road.
* **By Tram:** you can jump on the [Route 86](http://ptv.vic.gov.au/route/view/1881) and get off near Darebin Road (Stop #36) or Woolton Ave (Stop #37).
* **By Train:** Croxton Railway Station is a brisk 400m walk away.
Advanced Volleyball Session (Men’s Net)
There will be a cap of 18 players, allowing 3 teams of 6. Games will be played to 15 points.
These games are intended to be played at an intermediate to advanced level.
$8 per person if you wouldn't mind! 😁🙏
Account name: Tam Nguyen
BSB: 067873
Account number: 12770014
Or
PayID: 0481463419
_Make sure to attach YOUR name!_
RSVP opens each Friday at 10:00pm
Only those on the “going” list are permitted to play.
Participants attend and play at their own risk. We are not liable for any injury, loss, or damage that may occur during the session.
Have fun, be respectful, and keep a positive attitude!
Guided Game Night for Beginners Saturday D&D - North Melbourne
**Beginner Dungeons & Dragons Night (No Experience Needed)**
Play a fantasy story with a small group.
Make choices. Solve problems. Work together.
It’s fun, social, and easy because its hosted by a storyteller.
**What is this Event**
This is a beginner-friendly D&D game.
You don’t need to know anything.
Most people are new.
We teach as we play.
**Small groups (limited spots**)
Tables of 5–6 players, we wont take anymore than this to maintain a high quality of participants.
12–18 total spots in total.
If you see a spot you can make, take it. They fill.
**What happens when you arrive**
You don’t need to bring anything
You’ll be seated shortly after you arrive
Most people come alone
You will not be the only one.
**What you’ll do**
Play a character in a fantasy story
Make choices with your group
Talk, explore, and solve problems
Roll dice to determine your success and see what happens (usually shenanigans)
Expect to share funny and memorable moments with the people in our network.
**What you don’t need to worry about**
You don't need to know rules
new people won't slow the group down
Don't need to bring anything
We guide you the whole way (< why this works)
**Who this is for**
You work a 9–5 and want to meet new people after work or on weekends.
You enjoy fantasy stories, books or games
You want to try dungeons and dragons
You want a curated story games night that will be the highlight of your week.
**Frequently Asked Questions... 🕵️♂️**
**Won't everyone else already know each other?**
The only people who know each other are the Dungeon Masters leading each table. We don't allow groups to attend these nights, so at most there is a duo coming who already know each other. Everyone and you are super new to this.
**Will I be the only girl at the event?**
No, our events are generally 3:1 ratio, most tables I have seen are 2 girls and 4 guys. no promises on any individual night, but you'll find it doesn't impact your enjoyment.
**I'm worried I might slow everyone else down?**
Not true, pre-filled character sheets take much of the guess work out of learning the game, and the GMs have all taught tens to hundreds of people this game.
*The only thing you'll want to remember is the "D20", a twenty sided dice is always used to resolve actions, whether it's picking a pocket, striking a wicked goblin or recalling history on a forgotten ruin.*
*Ok, your basically ready now. seriously.*
Don't believe me? Come and find out for yourself.
**I'm worried I might be too old/too young for this?**
so here's what you'll want to know. we usually see attendees anywhere from 19-49 years of age.
normally it's 25-35ish as we often curate out events for young professionals and established professionals working locally.
But I'll say this: if you get along with a mature audience of respectful people who can collaborate together - you're in for a good time.
**Session**
3-hour(ish) game
Run by experienced Dungeon Master
2–3 tables each nigh
our game roster may include
*Dawn's Call* – Heroic Thriller Adventure about Hope
*Isle of the Grav*e – Mystery, and survival and fe
*The Cost of Ascensio*n – Power, trust, and betraya
**Before the event**
You may get a message from the organiser
Please reply to keep your spot
**Attendance policy**
Cancel early if you can’t make i
No-shows or late cancels may lose future spot
**Donation**
We take small donations to support the event and our hosts
**Dinner**
Some of us like to hang out after the game for a bit, usually for eats and chats
AI: More Moral Than Us?
**Why the Question Matters for Alignment, Moral Progress, and Long Term Flourishing**
Practically nobody in alignment wants to say it out loud. So let’s say it: *AI might turn out to be* ***[more moral than us](https://www.scifuture.org/more-moral-than-us/)***.
Now – why does that feel like a dangerous thing to claim?
The question is not whether AI can match human moral reasoning. The question is whether that’s even worth bragging about. The idea of AI being more moral than humans is a real taboo in some circles. Many alignment researchers are uncomfortable with the idea because it seems to smuggle in the assumption that AI could have genuine moral agency, which conflicts with deflationary views of LLMs as “stochastic parrots” – and also because it sounds uncomfortably close to AI-worship or motivated reasoning for deferring to AI. Invoking this idea could get one dismissed as naive or as an actual safety risk oneself.
*It’s also epistemically risky.*
*More moral* – but in what sense? Knowing more facts relevant to ethics? Drawing better inferences from values? Applying principles wisely in context? Actually being *moved* by moral considerations, rather than just computing them? These aren’t the same thing. Conflating them produces both overclaiming and underclaiming – and most of the bad arguments on both sides of this debate do exactly that.[1](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#6ebcc18c-d890-4a28-8b01-27945a532c66)
An AI could plausibly exceed humans on moral knowledge, reasoning and even judgement without having anything like moral motivation. Collapsing these leads to both overclaiming and underclaiming. Clear distinctions between stuff like moral judgement and moral motivation makes the conversation tractable.
Is it dangerous for public discourse?
There’s a genuine risk that the framing gets weaponised – either by people wanting to justify AI authority over human decisions, or by critics who use it to paint alignment researchers as unhinged techno-utopians. It can also trigger motivated reasoning in both directions. A lot more could be said here.
But the taboo is not protecting us from a dangerous question. It’s protecting us from the answer. The taboo itself is epistemically costly, yet if we ***refuse to ask*** whether AI could have better-grounded moral reasoning than humans, we prevent getting to the heart of the issue.
## **The questions worth asking**
Before thoroughly assessing whether AI could be more moral than humans, we need to ask whether the question is even coherent.
### Alignment targeting and verification
*What should AI align to?* Is morality a cohesive alignment target, or a family of overlapping intuitions that only look unified from a distance? And if there is a *fact of the matter* about moral improvement, *how would we know we were tracking it* – rather than simply laundering our current preferences with extra steps?
More pressingly: what would it mean to *verify* that an agent has better moral judgement than us, given that we’re the ones doing the evaluating?
This is the bootstrapping problem. We cannot step outside our own moral reasoning to assess a system that exceeds it. That isn’t a reason to stop asking – it’s a reason to ask more carefully.[2](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#114785ab-004c-4882-b8c8-c0437942e9ec)
### The motivational gap
Even if the epistemic questions could be resolved, a deeper problem remains: most human moral failure isn’t a failure of *reasoning*. It’s a failure of *motivation*.
If humans are themselves imperfectly morally motivated, what does alignment to human preferences actually track? Not moral truth – at best, some weighted average of moral intuitions, distorted by power, attention, and self-interest.
How much of human moral failure is motivational rather than epistemic? More than we tend to admit. We frequently know what the right thing is and fail to do it anyway – which means a system that merely reasons better about ethics hasn’t addressed the failure mode that actually matters most.
And this raises the hardest question in the cluster: is moral motivation necessarily tied to phenomenal experience – to there being something it is *like* to care? Or could a system be genuinely motivated by moral considerations without felt engagement? Can motivation be grounded without being felt?
### The systemic stakes
Finally, there are second-order questions that rarely get asked – about what happens to *us* if AI gets this right.
Does sustained deference to AI moral judgement atrophy human moral reasoning capacity? And if so, what are the systemic risks of that atrophy – not just for individuals, but for the collective processes through which moral knowledge has historically developed? (There is recent work on comparative moral Turing Tests that begins to take this seriously[3](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#6efcb4e9-295e-425c-8860-40f415ef4935))
Moral progress for humans has never been a purely individual achievement. It has happened through argument, conflict, revision, and hard-won consensus across generations. A system that resolves moral questions faster than humans can engage with them might not accelerate that process. It might short-circuit it entirely.
I think asking these questions Socratically can help nudge the conversation into the open productively rather than letting it fester as an unexamined assumption. Also I think this line of questioning isn’t just intuition pump fodder, I think they are directly important to the project of AI alignment.[4](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#13e5d2e0-79f6-42fc-8d1e-fcae403c2f6b)
> Refusing to ask whether AI could exceed human moral reasoning doesn’t make the question safe. It just means we’ll answer it by accident, badly, and too late.
Handled carelessly, this question causes damage. Left unasked, it causes more.
## Footnotes
1. The claim is easy to make sloppily. “More moral” conflates several things that need to be separated:
a) Moral knowledge (knowing more facts relevant to ethics)
b) Moral reasoning (drawing better inferences from values)
c) Moral judgement (applying principles wisely in context)
d) Moral motivation (actually being moved by moral considerations – which is one of my core focus points of activism) [↩︎](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#6ebcc18c-d890-4a28-8b01-27945a532c66-link)
2\. This was brought up in an interview with Nick Bostrom [↩︎](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#114785ab-004c-4882-b8c8-c0437942e9ec-link)
3\. See Eyal Aharoni’s and Danica Dillion’s work on Moral Turing Tests – presentations and interviews [here](https://www.scifuture.org/eyal-aharoni-breaking-the-moral-turing-test-studies-of-human-attribution-and-deference-to-ai-moral-judgment-and-decision-making/), [here](https://www.scifuture.org/ai-outscored-humans-in-a-blinded-moral-turing-test-should-we-be-worried-dr-eyal-aharoni-explains/) and [here](https://www.scifuture.org/danica-dillion-ais-moral-compass-better-than-expected-now-what/). [↩︎](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/#6efcb4e9-295e-425c-8860-40f415ef4935-link)
4\. The grounded values approach actually requires asking questions like:
– What should AI align to?, Is morality a cohesive alignment target?, is there a fact of the matter about moral improvement, or is “more moral” just “more aligned with our current intuitions”?
– What would it mean to verify that an agent has better moral judgement than us, given that we’re the ones doing the evaluating? (see work one recently on comparative moral Turing Tests)
– If humans are themselves imperfectly morally motivated, what does alignment to human preferences actually track?
– How much of human moral failure is motivational versus epistemic?
– Is moral motivation necessarily tied to phenomenal experience, or could a system be genuinely motivated by moral considerations without anything it’s like to be it?
– Can motivation be grounded without being felt?
– Does sustained deference to AI moral judgement atrophy human moral reasoning capacity, and what are the systemic risks of that atrophy – both for individuals and for the collective processes through which moral knowledge has historically developed?
Also see: **[Why Are We Afraid to Ask Whether AI Could Be More Moral Than Humans?](https://www.scifuture.org/why-are-we-afraid-to-ask-whether-ai-could-be-more-moral-than-humans/)**
Game Theory Events Near You
Connect with your local Game Theory community
CABS Friday Boardgaming 6/12
Thanks for being a part of the CABS Meetup Group! We meet @ the COFFEE UNDERGROUND on Indianola Avenue. We play many different games @ CABS - bring your own or play one of the OVER 2222 in our library. What are your favorite games? What was the last game you played? Hope to see and game with you soon! Check us out on Facebook! Doors open early on Saturday Mornings at 10am and around 4pm on Fridays if you are interested in learning new / simpler games ... or new to the hobby or just want to check us out come in early just after noon and we will show you around before the crowd grows. Stay for a game or two, an hour or two or for the day! Your first visit is free and after that it's $5 a meeting or you can join for the year! It's Your Move
Board games at The Forge
The Forge does have a full bar and kitchen. There is no cover charge but they do request all attendees to purchase a minimum of ~20 per person. Soft drink refills are 1 each. Please support our hosts so we can continue to provide great events for the group!
The Forge has a large library of games available for us to enjoy. Hosts and regulars will also provide numerous popular games but please bring any games you would like to teach and/or play.
Doors open at 6, and we expect gaming to be rolling by around 630. Please promptly end your games and clear out the space at 10pm when the bar closes.
We encourage socializing but do not permit disruptive behavior of any kind. Thank you for your continued commitment to providing a fun and welcoming space to veteran, newbie, and rookie gamers in the Columbus area.
Parking can sometimes fill esrly. There is additional parking lot behind the neighboring Mexican restaurant that is free and easy to walk from but it's a bit hidden.
Your Summer Social Life Starts Here 🍻🎳 🍻 20% Off for NEW Bowlers!
🎳 **Summer Fun Starts on the Lanes! 20% off for NEW bowlers!**
The 6-week summer social bowling league is here - cold drinks, fun times, and new friends await on the lanes! Whether you're looking to meet new people, unwind after work, or just have a fun weekly outing, this league is for everyone.
Social vibes, happy hour energy, and plenty of chances to connect with others. No matter your skill level, this league is all about having fun and meeting awesome people. ;)
**🗓 Thursday nights \|📍 AMF Sawmill Lanes \| 💵 $74 *(while Early Bird is active)***
**🚨New to the league?** Use discount code (**MUSU26**) for 20% off - $59.20 *during **Early Bird***
**💻 League Info & Registration**: https://bit.ly/ColumbusBowling
**Why Join?**
🎉 It’s only 6 weeks - perfect for a low-commitment social plan
🍻 Great mix of people in their 20s, 30s, & 40s, plus post-game hangs at the bar
🎳 Zero pressure - gutter balls totally welcome!
👕 Free league shirt if you sign up early
🧠 Weekly trivia w/ prizes
💬 Super social - join solo or w/ friends!
**Want in?**
Join our Meetup team Gutter Dusters 👉 **Click here to join** https://tinyurl.com/2d5y52vq
Or start a team of your own with a few friends - we’ll all be hanging out either way!
📅 League Dates (Thursday nights): June 25, July 2, July 9, July 16, July 23, July 30
***(The MeetUp event date is deadline to register for the league.)***
**Cost & What’s Included:**
✔ $74 **Early Bird** registration - **New bowler? Get 20% off w/ code: MUSU26**
✔ 6 weeks of bowling (1–3 games/week)
✔ Shoe rentals & full league setup
✔ Trivia, prizes, and great people
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Spots are filling fast – don’t miss out on the fun times!
Casual Boardgames - make friends, then beat them in games
Welcome to Casual Boardgames, where we enjoy classic tabletop games and social deduction games while bonding over good food, drinks, and great conversations.
We started this group to meet new people and make new friends, and bonding over games in a relaxed atmosphere is a great way to do that.
We currently meet near route 23 and Polaris Parkway, and this is close to areas like Powell, Lewis Center, Worthington, and parts of Westerville and Columbus.
Feel free to bring your own games or play one of the many games our members bring. If you are inexperienced, we will help you learn.
Here are just a few examples of the kind of games we play.
Tabletop/board games: Splendor, Catan, Azul, Dominion, 7 Wonders…
Social deduction games: Code Names, Chameleon, Werewords…
IMPORTANT:
1. While we love playing a variety of games and competing, we are not just about the games. We interact and talk while playing, and this leads to a lot of laughter and fun. If you just want to compete and focus solely on the game, then this is probably not the group you are looking for.
2. Many people join groups like this and never (or rarely) show up after weeks or months. If you join and never really come, we will eventually remove you from the group as a courtesy to our members. Why? Because limiting group conversations (on the app) to regular members makes communication and planning much easier. Also, while it may be rare, it protects members from people who join because they are interested in following a person instead of having a real interest in our group. If you get removed, it is just because you haven’t come, and we follow this protocol as a courtesy to our regular game players.
Gold Star Business Networking
Bring your business cards and network in person with other business professionals! Gold Star Referral Clubs is one of the most established professional networking organizations in the country, with multiple groups in central Ohio. Join us!





















