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Weston A. Price Foundation - London Chapter Message Board › Best coconut cooking oil for cooking?

Best coconut cooking oil for cooking?

A former member
Post #: 10
>>I have seen those brands myself many times in ethnic shops, Pride and KTC . However I never dare to buy them, as I think the problem might be the same as with other refined, non organic oil: the use of heavy chemicals for extraction and processing, like hexane for example. I think it would pay off to write to those brands to know how they are processed...

Laurent, maybe, maybe not. The refined coconut oil has a smoke point of 450 F which is well within the confines of safe. Because the virgin coconut oil has a much lower smoke point (100F less) it may not be safe for high heat cooking. Coconut oil is the most stable oil on the planet - also regarded by many as the healthiest - and as I understand it tends to remain safe regardless of processing (I ? my facts). Many health guru's are begining to advocate the refined oil for cooking as opposed to the virgin oil in relation to economics and health. I guess its a more technical case of ... which refined oil is really safe (or not).

I think if the fast food industry cottoned on to safe cooking oil, health would revolutionis; just a small big point to consider.
user 13697316
London, GB
Post #: 1
You need to look for coconut oil that is cold pressed. If you want to use the odorless one, then find one that says 'naturally refined'.
Laurent L.
user 9884980
London, GB
Post #: 52
Jon, interesting point about the smoke point and virigin vs refined. However to my knowledge Hexane and solvant are used for all refined/non organic, cold pressed oil extractions; and they are definitely bad and stay partly in the oil, so it's still not a safe choice in my opinion...
Laurent L.
user 9884980
London, GB
Post #: 53
A little update on the matter. Matt Stone has a great post on refined vs virgin coconut oil here

Even more of interest, in the comments a lot of people are discussing the problem of hexane, solvants and how the oil is desodorize. Apparently the KTC brand can be considered as safe on the matter

December 3, 2010 3:47:00 AM MST
Rocket said...

Regarding the KTC coconut oil -
I just got the following email response from them:

"KTC Coconut Oil is 100% pure, refined coconut oil. The oil is not hydrogenated in any way and hexane is not used in the refining process."

Think I'll try it now.

I don't know about the Pride brand however. I will try to contact both as KTC didn't mention how they desodorize their oils.
A former member
Post #: 11
Thats a superb follow up on the subject Laurent! I think you've been doing a little mind reading.

I read that Matt Stone post on refined vs. virgin coconut oil before christmas. It's continued to stew in my mind ... hense one reason for this thread. I also remember vaguely the mention of KTC being safe. I also sent an email to KTC querying those very points which you recieved an answer for ...

"KTC Coconut Oil is 100% pure, refined coconut oil. The oil is not hydrogenated in any way and hexane is not used in the refining process."

Surprise! I was thinking that its got to be hexane processed (seems quite destructive/harmful).

Perhaps my email got lost, but I am very glad to hear that response - right from the horses mouth (KTC). It seems an ideal oil for cooking. Its very healthy on the budget. (£1.50 - 500g from my local Indian shop!). Its seems to be healthy on the body. Possibly as good as it gets for cooking. The use of coconut oil is an easy way of getting sat fat in the body and balancing out the ratio of oils 3, 6 and 9.

I questione Stone's facts tho. He seems to think that the refined oil is indestructable. I am sure there are coconut oils that are damaged and poor for health (or not!). The health, or rancidity of an oil is a very hazy subject. All the more reason to descuss them ...after all getting the right oil into your body is element of health (and WAPS).

Anyway so far it seems we give KTC the thumbs up (so far). I wanted to send Pride an email. I can't find the right adress. Can someone help find there email adress, or send them them an email to question the safety of there refined coconut oil?

Perhaps the London (Phil!!) and UK WAPS movement should promote these oils for cooking, like KTC. Many people seem to be cooking with the refined oil thinking its 'good' because its virgin; not paying attention to the smokepoints. . . Its not so for cconut oil when your oven goes over 150 degrees as the oil breaks down; you might as well go back to veg oil. The smokepoint is very important. It can increase by 100 degrees with refined oils.

A well done to Laurent.

Philip R.
Group Organizer
London, GB
Post #: 787
Perhaps the London (Phil!!) and UK WAPS movement should promote these oils for cooking
- Unfortunately I don't know much about coconut oil. I'd probably defer to people like yourselves and will happily work with good folks like yourselves to provide listings of good available oils. You can contribute to the About Pages where I have other listings, tho eventually, a dedicated website is required!
A former member
Post #: 6
I use coconut oil a lot and have done for a long time. I find it much more digestible than many other fats. I use organic virgin but tend to cook things in the oven at low temperatures - 170 degrees max but often about 125-150 as I don't want to char food anyway. I also think the virgin coconut oil is great in raw cakes and desserts (in moderation of course).
Laurent L.
user 9884980
London, GB
Post #: 54
Thanks Jon. To comment on your line "I think you've been doing a little mind reading", my work is to be a psychic and Feng Shui consultant, full time, so I might have had lol.

I've emailed both KTC and Price a week ago, still awaiting their answer, but indeed KTC seems safe.
As for the smoke point I am not myself a specialist but here is what Sally Fallon Morell and Mary Enigh says on the matter:

Q. Can I use coconut oil for deep frying?

A. We don't recommend coconut oil for deep frying--it does not have a high enough smoke point and breaks down at high temperature. We recommend tallow or lard for deep frying.

from http://www.westonapri...­

So it speaks by itself, and indeed contradict the view of Matt Stone.

However it is now safe that the cheap KTC oil is still a good oil for cooking or baking, not frying.
A former member
Post #: 13
'Mind reading' Laurent, I never new my insight here : ) You certainly have a unique job.

On smokepoints.

I am not sure the Sally Fallon Morell and Mary Enigh are aware of how the smokepoints change with refined oils. I say I can't agree with them. The word refined has a very bad connotation, so perhaps when one reads 'refined' one may instantly dismises it as 'bad' and ignore it. There could be another reason. They might even contradict there own opinions when giving more thought to it. Peolpe do the best they can. They certainly have done so much.

With oils refined has the unique benefits of as increasing the smokepoints. If you look at the wiki chart you will see that a lot of the refined oils have a smokepoint in excess of 100 degrees F over their virgin counterpart. Refined coconut oil is well within the confines safe when it comes to heating. Ghee (clarified butter) has a huge smokepoint of 485 F ...way over butter at 350 F.

I certainly feel more comfortable with higher smokepoint oils with than the virgin oils like coconut oil and butter (to ghee). Sauteing is done at about 370 F. Baking is often done at 400 F + which is way over the smokepoints of butter, VCO and lard.

As you can see Phil the subject is controversial. I guess its a case of everyone for there own and doing there own research..

A former member
Post #: 14
Off the subject. On space clearing Laurent, I developed a big curiosity about organite a week back (heard of it?). Its apparetly very good for neutralising EMF and clearing spaces. I have an (potentially) potent rock in the post at the moment. Pie in the sky, or not. I will see.
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