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Re: [ljc] "I've never been a true believer in the Agile method"

From: Ged B.
Sent on: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:39 AM
Hi All,

Murray has kindly created a summary of Ben's talk.  Very helpful.

Murray's discussion of the difference between Agile and Fenymann's approach is particularly interesting:

45 minutes into the talk he discusses of how the Feynman way is different from Agile.
  • How it is similar:
    • Reduce the problem.
    • Use simple tools.
    • Visualise the problem.  Via a backlog.
  • How it is different:
    • Upfront analysis when confirming results.
    • What is the size of the problem.
    • The data and the problem space.
    • State and document assumptions.
    • Approximate but document any assumptions.

I've rechecked the video and this is an accurate summary of what Ben says.

My question is: how is how are any of these differences a difference with "Agile".  None of it is in any way at odds with the principles of the Agile Manifesto.  There it says to favour working software over comprehensive documentation.  it does not say you cannot document your assumptions.  

In his talk when Ben is talking about Agile he is talking about Agile methods, like Scrum and XP.  This is different to the Agile Manifesto.  

The Agile Manifesto does not mention backlogs, Scrum does.  The Agile Manifesto does say anything about writing stories, let alone rushing into them.  Scrum and XP do.



On 18 June[masked]:06, Murray Carr <[address removed]> wrote:
Geb seems to be talking in tautologies which does make it hard to have a proper discussion. Still have to watch Ben's talk to gather his points which have not been summarised elsewhere in this discussion.

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