addressalign-toparrow-leftarrow-rightbackbellblockcalendarcameraccwchatcheckchevron-downchevron-leftchevron-rightchevron-small-downchevron-small-leftchevron-small-rightchevron-small-upchevron-upcircle-with-checkcircle-with-crosscircle-with-pluscrosseditemptyheartexportfacebookfolderfullheartglobegmailgoogleimagesinstagramlinklocation-pinmagnifying-glassmailminusmoremuplabelShape 3 + Rectangle 1outlookpersonplusprice-ribbonImported LayersImported LayersImported Layersshieldstartickettrashtriangle-downtriangle-uptwitteruseryahoo

Re: Re: [ljc] Recommendations for JSPs/servlets and Spring training courses in London?

From: Sarah B.
Sent on: Friday, August 9, 2013 11:58 AM
Hi James

Thanks for this useful reply. I have played around with Scala a tiny bit. As a fairly new person to Spring MVC, terse frameworks sound great. I will look into some of these. I imagine it might take some time to convince my team to change their practices as I work for a large enterprise company, but time marches on and it may be time to bring in some fresh ideas.

I still think that I will be best placed to push for changes once I heave learnt the basics of JSPs &servlets though. I will take a look at the Skills Matter courses but I don't think there is one for JSPs/servlets so if anyone has any suggestions that would be great.


Hi Sarah,
There's a reason that (in this case) fashion is important - the newer methods of creating webapps focus on writing less boilerplate and less xml (yuck!).  The justification being the less code you have to write (and more importantly, read) the quicker your time to a minimum viable product to get under the nose of your stakeholders.  

Assuming you have an existing Java dev team, have you thought about using a JVM-based language?...Scala and Play 2 being a popular choice, alternatively, JRuby or Grails would give you some more terse frameworks to work with.

As a suggestion, could you perhaps ask for 5 days out to evaluate some of these different techs, and then spend the money on a 2-3 day course (e.g. the Skillsmatter ones seem very relevant here).  Yes you're out of the office for longer, but the potential for getting something neater, easier to maintain and add features to is surely worth the initial outlay.

Sorry to answer your perfectly reasonable question with a "yes, but, why?" kind of answer!
FWIW, having been on both, I found Skillsmatter to be better than Learning Tree, there's just more technical content, and less faffing around explaining basic concepts.

I hope this was constructive!

Our Sponsors

  • Our Blog

    Read the latest news from the LJC

  • RecWorks Ltd

    Fixing Tech Recruitment using the Power of Community

  • jClarity

    Java/JVM Performance Analysis Tools & mentoring for Java related matters

  • LJC Aggrity

    Our LJC Aggrity site contains blog posts from our members

  • LJC Book Club

    Our Book club with book reviews from our members

  • Devoxx UK

    Java Community Conference in collaboration with the LJC, 8-10th June 16

  • SkillsMatter

    "Host, help organise, promote, film many of our meetings."

  • IBM

    Build Enterprise-grade apps at start-up speed.

  • New Relic

    New Relic makes sense of billions of metrics a day in real time.

  • Hazelcast

    Hazelcast is the leader in operating in-memory computing.

  • Java.Net

    We are an official Java User Group recognised by Oracle's JUG program

  • JRebel

    Free 3 month J-Rebel license.

  • O'Reilly

    40% discount on printed books and 50% on e-books.

  • Craft Rebellion

    Your choice of fresh craft beer, delivered. For 10% off use ‘LJC'

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy