
What we’re about
The SFDebate Meetup is an open forum for discussion on the events of our time. We have three goals:
(1) UNDERSTAND OTHER POINTS OF VIEW. With so much news available to us, it is easy to fall into the trap of relying on sources that simply support and reinforce our own limited beliefs. The SFDebate Meetup is a chance for you to expand your perspectives and understanding. We believe that when opinions are discussed in public, our critical faculties are sharpened as we are exposed to diverse viewpoints that we may not have considered before.
(2) DEVELOP YOUR PERSUASIVE SKILLS. If you want to be able to convince others of your ideas, if you want to change the world we live in, SFDebate is the forum for you. Consider SFDebate to be a 'dojo' for persuasive speaking. It is a place where you will not only be exposed to opposing points of view, but a safe place where you will be encouraged to find and speak up for yours. We work hard to keep things civil and will not tolerate physical intimidation or threats of any kind.
(3) The point is to HAVE FUN and MAKE FRIENDS. It is a meeting of minds, and we follow every meeting with drinks , a bite to eat, and some drunken debate at a nearby bar/restaurant.
Upcoming events (1)
See all- Motion: America's Low Birth Rate is a Serious ProblemLink visible for attendees
The fertility rate in the US has been below replacement level for some time, meaning not enough children are being born to maintain the current population size. A birth rate of at least 2.1 per woman is considered necessary (absent immigration) to keep our population from shrinking, but the US rate is just 1.66 and expected to fall further. Of course, increased immigration could maintain US population levels for a while, but the pool of potential immigrants will likely decrease over time as the decline in fertility below replacement levels is a global phenomenon. Why this is happening is an ongoing study, but economic developments, delayed childbearing and changing social values all play a role. For example, many couples are choosing to have children later in life, or not at all, due to factors like education and career trajectories, financial concerns, and shifting social attitudes towards family size, parenting responsibilities, and work-life balance.
Many economists and policymakers consider the low birth rate in America a serious problem. As a result, the federal government is exploring financial incentives to encourage larger families. Here are a few of their concerns:
- Shrinking Workforce: Lower birth rates mean a smaller future workforce, potentially leading to labor shortages and slower economic growth.
- Strain on Social Security: A smaller working-age population will have to support a larger elderly population, potentially straining programs like Social Security and Medicare.
- Slower GDP Growth: Some economists predict that declining fertility rates could lead to a decrease in potential GDP growth.
- Cultural and Social Norms: Some commentators note that residents of developed countries increasingly view children primarily as a burden or difficulty and say these attitudes reflect a narrow and self-centered sense of meaning and purpose in life, an inner impoverishment that will only spread as birth rates continue their decline.
Others contend that low birth rates are not a serious problem in the US and may even have benefits. Here are a few of their arguments:
- Positive Social Changes: Low birth rates are often linked to increased opportunities for women, greater personal freedom, and a focus on quality over quantity in child-rearing.
- Focus on Human Capital: Instead of focusing solely on increasing birth rates, investments in education, healthcare, and quality jobs can ensure a productive and thriving society.
- Adaptability: Societies can adapt to changing demographics through technological advancements, and adjustments in social and economic policies.
- Environmental Benefits: Population decline may reduce environmental pressures such as land, air, and water pollution; climate change; deforestation; and the loss of biodiversity.
How This Meetup will Work:
- We'll start the meeting by asking everyone in the room for their vote on whether they think low fertility in the US is a serious problem -- Yes, No, or Abstain. You also get up to 30 seconds to give an explanation of your vote, or to say what kinds of details you want to hear more about at the debate.
- Then we'll have a speaker presenting arguments in favor of the Motion, followed by another speaker presenting arguments against. Each of these speakers is given 6 uninterrupted minutes.
- After that, everyone in the room will get to participate in a moderated floor debate. A moderator will make sure that people take turns speaking.
- At the end, the 2 original speakers will make closing statements of 3 minutes each, and then we'll take a final vote on the question. When you give your final vote, you'll also have up to a minute to say what arguments in this debate that you found particularly compelling, or what you've changed your mind about (if anything).
Our meeting will be conducted on Zoom. The Zoom link will be visible here on the event page before the event to those who RSVP. It's your choice if you want to turn on your camera or not, but people who can be seen are often more persuasive. At SFDebate, everyone gets a chance to speak and is encouraged to do so, but no one is required to speak if they don't want to.
Additional Reading:
The Debate over Falling Fertility https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2025/06/the-debate-over-falling-fertility-david-bloom
The Causes and Consequences of Declining US Fertility. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.14025899. https://www.economicstrategygroup.org/publication/kearney_levine/
Why MAGA’s pro-natalist plans are ill-conceived. https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/06/19/why-magas-pro-natalist-plans-are-ill-conceived
Just have more babies? The deceptively complicated problem of the U.S.'s low fertility rate. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/just-have-more-babies-the-deceptively-complicated-problem-of-the-uss-low-fertility-rate-050057071.html
Low Fertility Is a Really Big Problem – with an Easy Answer https://crr.bc.edu/low-fertility-is-a-really-big-problem-with-an-easy-answer/
Why government incentives won’t boost the birth rate https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5280172-reproductive-rights-fertility-rates/