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Re: [newtech-1] my neighbors spend have their year in sub sahara africa and other non industrialized counties

From: Miles R.
Sent on: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:37 PM
my has my initial question changed. now for my two cents.

If you didn't know how old you are, how old would you be?

When does childhood end?

Do you know why in the US high school attendance is mandatory?

At what age does childhood end for those who will be getting these OLPC computers? I don't know. Will they be helped, will they even get them before they are for sale in the local markets?

I believe the hardest part of this program is the delivery of the units to the kids. If it was easy, or maybe they should have partnered with that organization, whose name I forget, provides you with the name and face of who you are helping and you become penpals. That in my opinion would make this OLPC program sing. Its not about the razor its the blade. It also requires an additional level of responsibility for the program. Its hard, its ok if they fail. If you don't fail, you aren't trying hard enough.

Will their teachers, who I'm sure don't have computers in their homes know what to do? Years ago they computerized NYC schools. Years later they found closets full of computers, never opened, now outdated. Why, none of those teachers were computer literate, didn't get any training, etc.

I look at the OLPC project as a personal library for the user, with the correct infrastructure, which will be learned after many mistakes, it will be a fascinating experience. Both for those involved and those studying it.

If you live in the Sudan, and you live that long, childhood ends at around 5. In more industrialized countries childhoods ending is determined by economics, family size, government and assorted other factors.

BTW the reason everyone in the US goes to high school is that during the depression they had to create jobs, ie teachers, and had to keep additional workers out of the workplace. If you want to read more the new biography of FDR, a masterful work, and I feel like an idiot that I have forgotten the authors name, details both the sociological and political process that created high school attendance, and hence, raised the age of when childhood ends.


Miles



On Nov 30,[masked]:14 PM, Robert <[address removed]> wrote:
As a coder, artist and a cook... all requiring tremendous time and effort to create especially from scratch.  The appreciation comes soo little.   it's presented then "devoured" in seconds....

In this throw away society, its soo very sad we cannot bring even little appreciation to efforts put forth by these talent creators but instead we worship the .99 store and walmarts of the world.

I'm involved in United Way's Big Brothers program and have 3 kids from the ages of 5-9 when they started.  Now the youngest is 19.

When the youngest was 12 he so wanted a Dream Catcher.  but instead of buying it I decided to goto the craft store and buy all the parts we needed.  Well.. long story short.. it came out costing 5x but look what I've done...   I've taught not necessary to always buy ready made.  Efforts ARE appreciated and don't always look at the easy way out.   btw.. it was the saddest looking Dream Catcher ever..my Dream Catcher included but I was soo very proud of him for starting it even though he KNEW it wasn't going to turn out too well and very proud of the fact he FINISHED what he started.  Now it one of his most prized possession as a grown person.

We are NOT doing that with these kids with OLPC.  When ready made browser and office apps and games and even the OS.

Another quick story.. ever try teaching a kid howto create a video game by drawing a square on the screen when they can buy something for $20 and see dazzling colors and neat 3D graphics in an instant.

Whatever happen to creating things from scratch... :(

btw .. I hand make all of my birthday and holiday cards and paint/draw or create gifts.   I only by maybe 20% of my gifts.  I recommend this route.

Makes them feel guilty if they throw away your hand made gifts ;-)

-Robert

PS> Better idea for a OLPC concept.. have them build it from scratch then code the OS and the apps.









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