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Re: [newtech-1] Solving Big Problems Requires Empathy and Faith

From: Mark N.
Sent on: Monday, February 4, 2013 5:32 PM

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM, rburton <[address removed]> wrote:
I strongly disagree. This is a New York technology mailing list. If you're interested in discussing religion, there are loads of other meet-ups that embrace religion.

I am interested in business and technology, and anything that might influence that. I am agnostic, so I have no dog in the fight regarding religion, so to speak.
You only mentioned Larry Wall since his religious views are discussed in Wikipedia and there's a mention of how some keywords were influenced by his religious beliefs. That doesn't mean religion is why the language exists. Do you know that Yukihiro Matsumoto otherwise known as Matz, is a Mormon? Additionally he doesn't preach his faith during any of his speechs he gives on Ruby?

I do not know why Larry chooses to talk about religion (when asked), or why Matz chooses not to. Also, I did not base my assertion just on a Wikipedia search.
Good to know that your telepathy and/or remote viewing license is operational ;)
Just because you find one person who supports your opinion, doesn't mean its true for all members of faith. We typically call that generalizing and the affects of such an act often has very negative repercussions. 

One question; who are you attributing the following to? "Just because you find one person who supports your opinion, doesn't mean its true for all members of faith". I'm guessing it's Terrence's spam filled post, because I don't recall saying that finding one person in a particular situation means that it must be true for all members of whatever faith. That's stretching a bit, sir.

Perl was influenced by nearly 7 languages. Nearly all languages are influenced by other languages. There are many other hugely influential languages other than Perl. So please don't try to inflate your position by using very loosely associated items.

Most programs, items are influenced by many different things. Technically, it was influenced by many different languages. I'd check some Wall interviews to see what he says about Christianity's influence on his work might be.
The second posting is from [address removed] titled "No Conflict Between Science and the Bible".

We might as well talk about Atheists since there are many language creators who are atheist and who created more influential languages that changed the world in major ways other than a bunch of crappy CGI based application that can't be maintained. At least use Matz as an example since his framework is much more impressive.

If there's an atheist who could provide a reasonable way to explain how their atheism helped them create a better programming language,dev environment and/or company, I'd read it just for the data point. Where the proselytizing began would be where my reading ended. In terms of influence, Perl's still in the top 10 of TIOBE, so even if I haven't written any professional Perl code in over a decade, quite a few people are. 

On the other hand, religion's one of those topics that can carry a lot of baggage and can pull a group into undesirable territory, so I can see the desire to not include it in discussions.

Plus, the spam. I am not arguing for another spammy email.

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